It's very, of course, it's a very elusive thing to define what is Pythonic. If you came from something like C sharp, for example, that doesn't have this concept of tuples and packing,. And so you just wouldn't even, you might not ever find it. All of these things are not Pythonic because they carry over concepts that work well in other languages but aren't the proper way to do them here. But once you get enough experience of going, bad example, good example, then you kind of get this sense, like almost a smell for like, yeah, it seems like this is right. It seems like that's not right.