James Jim Haas served with the US surface Navy was involved in the Gulf of Tonkin incident. Worked with Sogg and Vietnam and has worked and lived around the world. Ended up building and commanding a small Navy in the Congo a small Navy that helped defeat communism including Che Guevera. He's retired for 10 years now 51 years old So I appreciate it, but I guess everything is perspective right I'd trade you No doubt I always look at the other guys. Jocko podcast number 382 with echo Charles and me Jocko willing good evening echo good evening The con goes recent independence from Belgium had triggered triggered a secession crisis By one of the country's most mineral rich