Trying to understand this, it becomes complicated by the fact that it's not an object. We are looking in the wrong direction. One monk told me once, many years ago,. I didn't understand at that time. You know, he says, you know, what is this? Ath wi, think ot self, realization, what it is like. There is an aquarium. In an aquarium, have you seen fish? Little fish, they swim like this. And when they come to the end of the aquarium, what do they do? They turn like this. N then ian the tenth. Have you seen that? Si, that turn. Times of trouble ore little, little