Irwin Mc Manis, Founder of a Mosaa, Is a Really, Really Fascinating Person

The path to success is almost never linear. AJ Harbinger and Johnny Dzubak started The Art of Charm over a decade ago and really had no idea of what it would become. 250 million downloads later, they share some of the struggles and high points, talk about how they teach young leaders communication and confidence skills, and give some advice to church leaders about what they wish was different.