Ever feel like recruiting is just herding cats—or maybe gremlins?

And job searching? Let's call it what it is these days: a special kind of torture.

In this episode, I’ve rounded up some previous guests and we’re tackling the dual headache of being a recruiter and a job seeker in today’s chaotic market!

With 2025 shaping up as the “Year of the Personal Brand,” we’re dishing out the tea on trust, relationships, and why recruiters who don’t build a foundation are always playing defense.

Now, Working Not Working is helping to keep that talent with NTRNL— the new platform that unlocks employee passions and ignites productivity. So you can see your people as they see themselves: as humans, not headcount. Visit seeyourpeople.com to learn more or book a demo.

00:02:22 - Shannon’s Biggest Piece of Advice for Recruiters

00:04:41 - What Job Seekers Should Consider in This Market

00:09:32 - Rhona’s Biggest Piece of Advice for Recruiters

00:11:42 - Tips for Job Seekers of Today

00:15:21 - Brandon’s Biggest Piece of Advice for Recruiters

00:17:34 - Brandon’s One Tip for Job Seekers

00:21:15 - Sean’s Biggest Piece of Advice for Recruiters

00:22:24 - Sean’s One Tip for Job Seekers

00:26:53 - Can you Beat the ATS?

00:34:58 - What is the Best ATS System to Use?

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