Roxanne Jones: I know it's been a while since you've been in college. But I think one way that we can still talk about how students could become more engaged with their learning is by exploring the concept of flow. And I'd be interested to hear a little bit more about how it is that you've incorporated the concepts of flow into your obsidian note-making practice.Jones: Sure. Well, actually, it's this one. Maybe I was, but yeah, yeah. So you mean, it's just, it’s just a mess. And this is the one. It's like a great acting performance. You can't say act angry is going

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