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Introduction
Carl Safina: I worry that at any moment while recording a podcast there's going to be a five-year-old bust in and tackle me. If it does happen, we will release something on social with the video component so that people can see it because that would be epic. He says he has this view of actually something different that he'm calling medicine 4.0 or snow leopard or something. Safina: One of the things I really appreciate about Peter Tia is how his book Outlive made my life easier when talking to patients. The concept of medicine 3.0 as well as health 3.0 are also big topics for him.