The Transition From the Written Long Form Interview to the Podcast Format

The outline was always hard for me because I wanted to be the perfect road map and you can't quite ever get it there. And so you sort of have to again, goes back to the idea of like rigorous preparation, but then allowing for a little bit of a dance. In a long form interview, we're not changing anyone's what they said, but you can, you do edit it for length and clarity. That being said, on an out-of-the-line podcast, you can read that in probably 25 minutes right? So it's just, it's a total,. it's a totally different experience," he says.