How Does Leo Self Interact With His Symptoms?

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Lulu: Leo will tell you that every song is a message from his subconscious. Everything has an unconscious connection, pleasant or unpleasant, and he's just got to figure out what it is. I'm analyzing me like i have a patient in front of me. Lulu: How would you say that leo self interacts with his symptoms, or vice versa? Wella, he's a psychoanalyst. So whenever he gets a song stuck in his head, which is like all the time, he analyzes it. He looks for a hidden meaning in it. Like, you know the way dreams reveal your inner life? The same thing with songs.

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