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135. Imagining a Four-Stage Church — A Conversation with Patrick Mason

Faith Matters

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The Gift of Perplexity and Harmony

Timothy Stanley: I love like the approval and the loyalty of the insider or the outsider. And so you're just kind of in this very uncomfortable space, but maybe that means that that's exactly how it should be. He says we have a biological need for everything to be easy and effortless, but there's a spiritual need for things to be challenging. Stanley: The only way to grow is through significant amounts of tension, significant amounts of discomfort over a long period of time and consistently.

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