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Biden and Penn's Case - Is the Material Willfully Taken?
There is no indication that the documents were willfully taken, although we might develop that information. There's an implication in some of that reporting that this stuff was not simply boxed up by staff and taken, but more deliberately retained by Trump. I want to be careful with that because I don't think we're in a position yet to say either that Penn's or Biden didn't retain them willfully or that Trump did.