i don't remember, i because it was so d mystified. You know, you were taught from the beginning that you treat te gun with caution, extreme caution. And nancy also grew up complete ly around guns. She would go deer hunting with her dad, uh. So we both grew up in that environment where owning a gun probably wasn't an issue. But then there's something else that's happened in more recent years that i call gun fetish and this is something that you if you see like a christmas card from a congressman and every single member of the family has an assault weapon,. That's gun fetish. I had a much view of them as instrument, as a tool