BTW 47: 5 of Pentacles – Real Gods Require Blood with guest Thea Wirsching
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Is Class Real?
I think the issue of class comes up here again, because i totally relate to that. I remember when i was studying dance, really feeling resentful at our society like that. Dance was something that i felt was so beautiful and so sacred. And i feel that way about all the arts. You know, what really gives our life meaning is the arts. It's why it's worth it to us to work so hard or to be here a lot of the time. Yet it's just so not valued by our culture. When things that we recognize as being valuable are not considered valuable by the world around us. So there's this disconnect between what we're actually experiencing andwhat we cherish
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Speaking on the truth of suffering and fear, Zora Neale Hurston said that, only "half gods are worshipped in wine and flowers. Real gods require blood.” The Five of Pentacles is not a comfortable card. It speaks of pain and privation, the moments that bring us to our knees. But, as Amanda and her guest Dr. Thea Wirsching discuss in this episode, those moments are also invitations from the real and often blood thirsty gods to wrestle with the angels of our history.
5s are ruled by the hierophant. The priest, the Pope, the card in the major arcana that connects us with our spiritual traditions; in some decks it is called, "Ancestor." The 5 of Pentacles demands our humility. It is an invitation to love life in it all its blizzards and madness and freezing winds. We discuss the Little Match Girl; the 4 Noble Truths of Buddhism; African American literature of the 19th century; The Wedding Crashers; how religion can offer salvation... and be a bunch of bullshit; Mercury in Taurus; and where to find refuge.
Our guest is Thea Wirsching is an Evolutionary astrologer and has been practicing astrology for almost two decades. Her counseling business, The Pluto Babe, helps guide her clients in the process of releasing shame. She received her PhD from UCLA, and her dissertation focused on the history and literature of American occultism. Much of this original research appears in her forthcoming publication, The American Renaissance Tarot (2021). As a Tarot reader, Thea emphasizes the healing power of narrative and the cards’ facility to write a new story.
References in this episode include:
- CLOTEL, by William Wells Brown, the first African-American novel (1853)
- Rachel Pollack, “78 Degrees of Wisdom.”
- Zora Neale Hurston, "Their Eyes Were Watching God."
- Chiron Armand. An anonymous meme on his IG Stories.
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Learn More About Our Guest Thea Wirsching
Thea Wirsching is an Evolutionary astrologer and has been practicing astrology for almost two decades. Her counseling business, The Pluto Babe, helps guide her clients in the process of releasing shame. She received her PhD from UCLA, and her dissertation focused on the history and literature of American occultism. Much of this original research appears in her forthcoming publication, The American Renaissance Tarot (2021). As a Tarot reader, Thea emphasizes the healing power of narrative and the cards’ facility to write a new story.
Her deck, The American Renaissance Tarot, is out August of 2021.
To find out more about Thea, visit her on Instagram, @the_pluto_babe
Or visit her website: www.theplutobabe.com
Or find her on Facebook @theplutobabe
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Amanda Yates Garcia (host) & Carolyn Pennypacker Riggs (producer, composer). The BTW logo collage was created by Maria Minnis (tinyparsnip.com / instagram.com/tinyparsnip ) with text designed by Leah Hayes.
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