In the durga puja and herb in the big pujas, opanshadig monstras are actually chanted. So the namakamand chamakam can ber chanted for a ritual. A astho person says, during mental worship, if youare worshipping shiva, you can chant thim nama kama chamkam mentally also. Or if you look analytically, if you analyze the meanings of the nama caman, chamacam, that will lead you to enlightenment. We have run out of time. Can somebody tell me if the food is ready? Ready? I same. Jina mus tey. Canu