We were making all types of different content. We made a show called what's good about good news. We started to make our own skate boards and made a show about making skateboards. All the while, again, like collin mention, struggling to build a business, doing odd, odd jobs get enough cash to keep going. And we describe this term burn out as creative output without direction. The years between 20 16 and 20 20 would have to be some of the most discouraging our careers.

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