I was essentially like thinking of Joe Rogan's podcast where he's like talking to somebody the whole time someone's there listening and trying to win ever That's my that was my little engineered perceived or conceived yeah, you know. I'm not one of these people that's a cold on wait listen to my viewpoint. You're a you you will listen as much as I will so that's why I thought okay cool Yeah, it makes sense good call echo charles.Yeah fully and keep in mind too Yes, it was like a partially selfish reasons like I wanted to be on a podcast for sure But not at any moment was I being like hey, so I can be a star too