A lot of the science behind microbiome is based on large scale human studies where you've just got cross-sectional data or this is associated with this. And so there's this whole other grid that's been going off of projects for 30 years where they have these sterile mice who have no microbes. And you create in a lab these other microbes that would make them anxious or they're genetically anxious. You can change their mood and their attention span and everything else about them. So that shows that these have a direct effect rather than just being secondary. If you want to help some with depression, not to put them straight onto antidepressant, which in many cases doesn't work because of this individuality as we

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