What Do You Hope for From Governments in the West?

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Pran: Most important thing now is to help ordinary ucranians. I've never thought of rada and fanel leaving moscow as most effective weapon against the regime. Witton says that he came to ugrane in order to defend russian speakers in krane, right? Because, you know, r Russian speakers in east, they're suffering from the gran nationalism.

Yevgenia Albats is a Russian journalist, and editor-in-chief and CEO of the popular Russian independent magazine The New Times. The magazine has now been blocked by government censors for reporting on the war in Ukraine. Until last week, when the station was taken off the air, Albats was also host of a long-running radio show on Ekho Moskvy. The author of The State Within a State: The KGB and its Hold on Russia–Past, Present, and Future, she is a member of the Persuasion board of advisors.

In this week’s conversation, Yevgenia Albats and Yascha Mounk discuss the quickly-evolving nature of the Putin dictatorship, how ordinary Russians view the invasion, and the fate of the free Russian press in the face of a new wave of repression.

This transcript has been condensed and lightly edited for clarity.

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