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JD Vance: the reluctant interpreter of Trumpism

The Gray Area with Sean Illing

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Trump and the White Working Class

In your book, you write about the feeling that our choices don't matter. Trump is somebody who, whatever he decides to do, it just gets done. The person who of everybody I've ever seen in public life seems to believe that his personal choices matter the most has almost no sense of limitation. It's fascinating to think of Donald Trump as a clarion call against that self-defeatism.

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