We're Getting Frog-Boiled by AI (with Kelsey Piper)
The Argument
Intro
Jerusalem sets up the episode and introduces Kelsey Piper and the AI topic.
A lot of Americans are uneasy about AI, and so are many of the people building it. Yet we keep scaling and deploying these systems faster than we’re building rules to govern them. Why?
The Argument's Kelsey Piper has a few explanations, from foreign competition to a sense of inevitability to a conservative party terrified of regulation. Even if the incentives are clear, our collective complacency is not, especially given AI models have already attempted blackmail and in one case attempted to smuggle itself to North Korea.
Kelsey and host Jerusalem Demsas discuss why guardrails keep getting postponed, and what’s at stake.
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