Our guest to day is a christian theologian and an ecclesiastical historian who is also the author of the rise and triumph of the modern self. Doctor karl truman, welcome to triganometry. Francis foster: I'm francis foster. This is a show for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people. We're very happy to hear that. But you mention the trans issue, and i hope people aren't this point gone. While this is going to be another conversation about the trans we've had plenty of those.

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