i think jeff reli is an artist, right? I mean, he talk about how he started in clothing and then getting into video. But at the heart of it, there's really this element where he is an artist. And that, i think, is a key piece for artists. How do you express this idea, this concept, this notion that you have in a way that touches other people, that pulls them in? He also doesn't just oppose analytical ability or a problem solving ability with creativity and eloping good business solutions. That's all part of the same thing, as far as he's concerned. It's like, you know, you don't have to be

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