There's a really challenging moment, um, later on where a designer who I think she's been with like in games for 10 years, but is relatively new to the studio. And this conflict of like she is really worried and concerned that they are like heading towards crunch. And we see Tim Schaper react very strongly to that. Both of these people are coming from places of like extreme vulnerability. They're so stuck in their personal experiences that they can't see the other side of it.

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