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Tristan Harris went to a hearing on manipulation and deception in the digital age. He says we have dark infrastructure by which 2.7 billion people make sense of the world. The format is five minutes opening statement, then each Congress member has a question that they can ask for five minutes. We thought instead of us interviewing someone, I'm actually just going to interview Tristan about what that experience was like.

What difference does a few hours of Congressional testimony make? Tristan takes us behind the scenes of his January 8th testimony to the Energy and Commerce Committee on disinformation in the digital age. With just minutes to answer each lawmaker’s questions, he speaks with Committee members about how the urgency and complexity of humane technology issues is an immense challenge. Tristan returned hopeful, and though it sometimes feels like Groundhog Day, each trip to DC reveals evolving conversations, advancing legislation, deeper understanding and stronger coalitions.