Copywriter and persuasion expert Adil Amarsi is the guest for the 196th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Adil is working on a book on Persuasion and recently changed the title he prefers from Copywriter to Creative Director because he does so much more than copy. We covered quite a bit of ground during our discussion, including:
• how writing daily stories as a kid led to a gig as a copywriter (before he knew what copywriting was)
• his process for attracting his first clients
• what he did to learn copywriting and who he learned it from
• the “first week’s earnings” deal that netted him six figures
• what not to do when you get a windfall
• going from £300 to $30,000 + 4%—the secret of Adil’s success
• mental health issues and the impact on his business
• how much time he spends writing versus ideation
• breaking down what a $30K project looks like
• the clause that Adil adds to his contract that you’ll definitely want to borrow
• walking the line between manipulation and persuasion
• one of the words you should never use in your copy
• what it means to be a creative director and why he doesn’t call himself a copywriter
• what it takes to create a great offer
• the practical joke he played on one of his friends
You won’t want to miss this one. Download it to your favorite podcast app or simple scroll down and press the play button. You’ll also find a full transcript and links below.
The people and stuff we mentioned on the show:
John Carlton
Gary Halbert
PsychoCybernetics
Jay Abraham
The Irresistible Offer
Adil's website
Kira’s website
Rob’s website
The Copywriter Club Facebook Group
The Copywriter Underground
Full Transcript:
Rob: This episode is brought to you by The Copywriter Underground, the place to connect with hundreds of smart copywriters who share ideas and strategies to help you master marketing, mindset and copywriting in your business. Learn more at thecopywriterunderground.com.
Kira: What if you could hang out with seriously talented copywriters and other experts, ask them about their successes and failures, their work processes and their habits, then steal an idea or two inspire your own work? That's what Rob and I do every week at The Copywriter Club podcast.
Rob: You're invited to join the club for episode 196 as we chat with copywriter, podcaster and alchemists of persuasion, Adil Amarsi, about telling better stories, what it takes to create a great offer, how to be more persuasive, and his approach to consulting with his clients on their marketing needs.
Kira: Welcome, Adil.
Adil: Hi. Thanks for having me, guys.
Kira: Yeah, and just shout out before we jump into Brennan Hopkins, who introduced us, so thank you, Brennan for making the introduction. And let's just kick this off with your story. How did you end up as a copywriter, consultant, podcaster, artists and we can go on and on, and on?
Adil: Yeah. So first of all, thank you, Brennan, because he did make this happen. So my story's kind of I used to think it was interesting until I actually sat down and wrote it out with a friend. So I moved from Africa, like East Africa to the UK when I was four years old. About a year into moving to the UK, in the mid-90s, my dad ended up having a herniated disk that affected his walking, so he was paralyzed from the waist down for about two years. And it's important to know that I have an older sister and the 90s were basically known as Nickelodeon versus Cartoon Network. You can pretty much guess which side I sided with and which side she went with. I was Cartoon Network, she was Nickelodeon.
I found that the best way I could watch cartoons was to sit down and watch whatever my dad was watching at the time. In the UK my dad really loved watching four shows, in particular. Two quite important. The other two, somewhat. So the first one was the news. My dad loved watching the news.
