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123: Marc Elias and Ari Berman

The Al Franken Podcast

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The Future of Democracy

"This is how daily it's happening. A bunch of states decide that they're going to restrict abortion rights," she says. "I mean, the hopeful thing is that a majority of people can defeat the measure at the ballot." The ultimate end game for anti-abortion activists will be an undemocratic political system in which there is no recourse to try to change the undemocratic things that they're doing,. She writes.

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