No founder of a successful sass company describes themselves as a web to founder. Even like even Defi just as a term, like to me describes a solution. Like the whole thing is just again, like hammer searching for a nail and you can see it play out. I think we just got lost in the hype and the fast money and all this stuff. And it's good to see we're coming back to like rational business and behavior. It feels like the end.

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