Every recruiter says, cto can't make the jump to c o. You just can't do it. No one's going to take a bet on a cto to jump to c eo. And that is a tragedy, in my opinion, tragedya. Building a company is building a distributed system. In the best suited person to build that absolutely and so so you mention when we spoke about, youknow, engineering leadership developYou listed off a couple of the bookst we all knowand there's two or three others. But there really is about five, six books that every engineering leader knows, and that's it. That's it, and that' and that's

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