The One Thing That Drives Me Crazy Right Now Is Ron DeSantis

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Ron DeSantis is setting the debate around an issue where Democrats are probably weakest right now with voters, immigration. He was someone who is well-educated, intellectual, speaks seven languages, does not hide from that. There's a time when John Kerry would speak French, the Republicans would run ads against it. But Pete sort of embraced that while, I think, really brilliant at being able to take very complex ideas and communicate them in simple ways for voters.

Lis Smith is a veteran political strategist affiliated with the Democratic Party. Most recently, she was senior adviser to Pete Buttigieg in his 2020 presidential campaign. Her memoir is Any Given Tuesday: A Political Love Story.

In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Lis Smith discuss what she looks for in a successful candidate; the lessons she takes from years of courting independents and voters from across the aisle; and why she believes that Biden should run for reelection.

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