Donald Hoffman: What is Reality?
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The Difference Between Our Views on Consciousness
Philip Johnson: I think it's time you two spoke to each other and sorted out. We both think that at the fundamental level reality is made up of consciousness. And if we put consciousness down there at the base, a, we don't have to try and get consciousness out of non-conscious stuff. So now I'll stop. Okay, well, let's not lose consciousness just yet. There are ways that we could go here that actually I might go with you a little bit. But let's not losing consciousness here because you would float in the idea that the consciousness might be fundamental. Now we have here with us, of course, someone who has written a book with the
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