The Consequences of Lies in Politics

I think when the lies accumulate and have public consequence, that's when everybody sort of retreats back. So I don't think it's a stretch to say that Donald Trump lost in 2020 largely because of COVID. And there's a lie that cost people their lives, right? And in the most profound and traumatic way left an indelible scar on families, millions of them in the United States. It's like, holy cow, who wants to put their hand up and their family into the grinder of this public square this time?"