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876: Kelly Richmond Pope | How Fraud Became a Trillion-Dollar Industry

The Jordan Harbinger Show

CHAPTER

The Optimism Bias

People overestimate their abilities and underestimate the odds they'll get caught, says Kelly Wallace. "I don't know how these people aren't terrified," she asks of those who lie for a living. The stress that we're describing post fraud is not the stress that they're feeling when they're in it because they don't think it's as bad as it actually is."

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