Is the Underworld Dead or Evolving?

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(00:00) – Introduction
(04:09) – His First Encounter with Kasab
(14:04) – Interrogation & Jalees Ansari
(32:09) – Wardha Gang & Map of Mumbai
(38:03) – History of Mumbai’s Underworld Since the 90s
(45:13) – Karim Lala & History of Pathans
(1:05:59) – Dawood Ibrahim’s Story
(1:12:02) – Dawood vs Pathan Gang
(1:24:08) – How Dawood Escaped
(1:38:43) – Is Dawood Still Active?
(1:39:25) – Planned Attack 26/11
(1:42:11) – Gulshan Kumar Case
(1:45:41) – Is the Underworld Still Alive Today?
(1:48:29) – Organised Crime Is Coming Back
(1:49:08) – 1993: Badshah Khan’s Role
(1:50:53) – Interrogation Tactics
(1:51:54) – Closing Thoughts
(1:52:05) – BTS
(1:52:37) – Outro

In today’s episode, our guest is Rakesh Maria, Police Officer & Former Police Commissioner of Mumbai. He opens up about facing Ajmal Kasab during the 26/11 attacks to expose the dark underbelly of India’s underworld. In this conversation, Maria reveals the shocking moments, decisions, and unseen truths that defined some of India’s biggest crime stories.

He walks us through the major cases he handled in the timeline when the underworld was at its peak. He gives us details of how he fought instinct when he first saw Kasab: “Kasab ko dekhte hi mann hua maar doon!” and why he stopped himself, knowing that Kasab was India’s only chance to expose the terror network. From the legendary handshake between Haji Mastan and Karim Lala, to the 51 Mumbai blasts mastermind Zaleesh Ansari, to the real reason Dawood fled Mumbai, Maria breaks down the psychology, politics, and power that shaped India’s crime world.

He also issues a chilling warning, “Lawrence Bishnoi is the new Dawood!” as he explains how the modern mafia now runs on smartphones and social media instead of guns and goons. Watch the full episode to see how Rakesh Maria cracked impossible cases and redefined what it means to fight crime in India.

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