i will often engage in conversations with people about what their real expectations are. How do they know that that's what's expected? And some businesses, and investment banking maybe may still be one of them. It really is real that there's just such intensity, because there's so much money involved. You're compensated at a fabulous level for doing this. But the reality is, and i've thought about this recently, when i thought about my time doing that. Yes, was putting in those hours, but a lot of those hours were li massively writing and drafting and negotiating and then submitting to clients.

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