David Frum: My intent was to talk about the evolution of cooperation and why multi-level selection, your main work is important. But I'm jumping the gun here and asking you questions that may not be interesting as much or relevant to the audience listening to this show. There's a wonderful example of how a community can become like an organism. He says genes evolved in both species that interacted with each other to increase the density of species A. The fact that you selected at the level of the whole community turned the species into chromosomes.

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