What's your best understanding of the harm that was done either to particular people or to US intelligence gathering capabilities based on what was published in WikiLeaks?

Again, you have to

separate other things that WikiLeaks, I'm sorry. The things that were published in WikiLeaks that are at the core of the criminal matter we're discussing.

Because the vault-subbin stuff that WikiLeaks publishes in 2017 may have had a big effect on US intelligence gathering capabilities. I'm not aware of much serious allegation that the Manning leaks, none of which was classified above the merely secret level, no top secret stuff. You say merely secret like it's nothing, Charlie. Well, it's not top secret. It's not compartmented information, right? And it's had anything to do with the intelligence gathering capabilities. There was a serious controversy when the cables became public in an unredacted form and they had the names of people in dangerous places who had helped the United States. Diplomats writing back to Washington, we're talking to so-and-so a dissident leader and he says this and that. And therefore putting those people's lives in danger. When Chelsea Manning was prosecuted, military prosecutors did not say anyone had actually been killed as a result of their identities being in those unredacted cables. But US officials have said that the government expended a lot of resources identifying those people and getting them out of

danger in order to prevent that harm from happening.