The russians and the chinese are interesting because they're playing slightly different games, ah, fallowing similar play books. For russia, it's really about disruption. They just want to so chaos, so we're off our game, and they don't look so bad to their populace. The real money and the end game is going to be fought on what i call the back end, in a hardware battle of the greywr which is really being waged by china.

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