Podcasts and Audio Books - Podcasting and Podcasting in Studio Quality

A, maybe just waited a little bit too long to have the conversation. A, and definitely have more questions for him, but, ah, but, you know, seeing that kind of, i think a lot of people see podcasts and audio books as different in lots of ways. But they're kind of on the spectrum of the same kind of content. And like you said, with david, he's remote and remote first.