Today's guest is Rob Zuber, CTO of CircleCI!With Rob, we talked about software delivery, the impact of AI, and how to build great product engineering teams. And next, we discuss trade-offs between standardization versus flexibility in software organizations, and lessons learned from our respective past mistakes.(00:00) Preview(01:22) Introduction(03:33) Industry Changes and AI's Impact on Development(08:59) The Bell Curve of Metrics and Team Performance(12:09) From Engineering Metrics to Business Outcomes(14:31) Building Effective Small Teams(25:35) Experience vs. Curiosity(37:18) Scaling Challenges and Technology Decisions(49:26) Organizational Standards and Leadership PhilosophyâThis episode is brought to you by Codacy! Codacy helps developers save time in code reviews, so developers can focus on other things.Start your free trial and get 20% off your first 3 months at codacy.com/refactoringâYou can also find this at:⢠đŹ Newsletter: https://refactoring.fm⢠đ§ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7Luds9dmzZDoDC8Q7EMbSw⢠đą Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/refactoring-podcast/id1719137305âFor inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, or appearing as a guest, email: luca@refactoring.club