i imagine this argument comes up a lot, which is kind of the you did the crime, you do the time. What we've done with the court apparatus, with incarceration for hundreds of years is really, think, enforced arasi class philosophy. Is it better for them to be disfranchised or stigmatized? Or is that going to make them better people? And so as as society, we have to think more grand and learn from the lessons.

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