Ilya Prigajin was an early pioneer here also, right? Self-organization, and we just don't know what words to use. You need to be able to give it to a computer and ask it how well you're doing. It's much more comfortable in particle physics or cosmology where you know what the questions are. Whereas in complex systems, dissipative systems, Ilya Prigjain started with this idea of self-organization.

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