I feel like a real central, I don't know about interest rates or Celsius, DeFi, all that stuff. A backdoor into accounting systems between Alameda and no corporate governance. It's just the whole thing. You can kind of see it teetering and this is the outcome. Like we're really inventing finance back to caveman days when they were like discovering fire. This is like the most basic stuff that was going on that they were sort of failing in.

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