This week Jack Butcher joins Jamie, Leyla and Jay to discuss, the power of a network, Systems art, the internet's huge creative unlock, the value of independence and whether 'Artist' is a dead word.

00:50 - Welcome Jack Butcher

03:46 - Jack's practice in his own words

05:56 - Don't over think it

07:32 - Design vs Art

10:11 - Systems art and the internet as a canvas

18:05 - In-search of resonance

23:30 - Validation and recognition

26:05 - How useful is the term 'Artist'?

31:45 - The internet's huge unlock

35:50 - Effort does not equal value

38:00 - Independence, control and externalising your thinking

39:54 - Minting on instinct

43:00 - The power of a network

45:30 - Why is the industry so male orientated?

48:10 - Thoughts on exhibiting in a physical space

54:50 - Creating understanding and the issue with working outside the box

59:55 - Power laws and growing the network

01:05:15 - Making your process visible

01:11:50 - New projects, experiments and constraints

01:14:32 - AI as part of a creative practice

01:16:35 - Where we'll be in three years?

01:25:00 - News from across the space

01:29 50 - Embracing the intensity of the space

01:32:15 - Artist highlights

Jack Butcher: https://x.com/jackbutcher

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Ed Atkins: https://www.instagram.com/edatkinsdiet

Rafaël Rozendaal: https://x.com/newrafael

Heft: https://x.com/heft_gallery

Kevin Esherick: https://x.com/kev_esh

William Mapan: https://x.com/williamapan

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