Laguna: If they freed the kid they would immediately see all of the suffering that they've caused then everybody would be capable of suffering and that would truly be guilt inducing for them right. "I'm just very suspicious of the two uses of guilt those are the only two times those words that word is mentioned in the sentence we referred to earlier" Laguna says there's a lot of self-deception here it seems like to me that she's conveying without making it explicit I think.

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