Innovating Sports and Governance

Join us as we sit down with Dr. Aaron D'Souza, President of the Enhanced Games, to discuss a revolutionary approach to sports that incorporates the use of performance-enhancing drugs. Dr. D'Souza explains the concept and mission of the Enhanced Games, likening it to the next evolution of the Olympics, but allowing athletes to make informed choices about drug use to bolster their performance. The discussion delves into the global landscape of innovation, criticizing Europe's anti-technology stance and focusing on the U.S. and the Middle East as hubs for future advancements. Dr. D'Souza also highlights the inefficiencies and corruption within traditional Olympic committees and calls for a transformative approach in elite sports. Detailed insights are given into the logistics, funding, and societal implications of human enhancements. The conversation also touches upon ethical considerations, including gender classifications and the potential pressure on countries to genetically enhance their athletes from a young age. Overall, this episode paints a vivid picture of a future where sports not only entertain but also drive technological and societal progress.

Simone Collins: [00:00:00] Hello everyone. We're so excited today to be joined by a very special guest, Dr. Aaron D'Souza. He is president of the enhanced games, which if you haven't heard about, you're in for such a treat because this is like the next step in sports and I would say just.

Human bodies in general. So

Malcolm Collins: I want to I want to start with two lines. I want to start with what are the enhanced games? And the other thing that I heard from you is that originally you were thinking about doing this in like the Middle East because that's where You could do like crazy stuff and now it's like no the crazy fun stuff happens in the US So let's get into both of these

Aron D Souza: so to answer the question about The first question about like what are the enhanced games the enhanced games are the Olympics but we allow all performance enhancing drugs.

So we, we, we, we support individuals to make choices for themselves based on scientific evidence. To enhance their performance and the stated mission of the enhanced games is to create the next generation of [00:01:00] superhumanity. We want to involve our entire species and we believe elite sport is the right way to do that.

And to answer your second question, you know, where in the world, not this crazy stuff, but where does innovation happen? Innovation is hard and we've seen that time and time again throughout the world and throughout history. And you know, it's like in Europe, there's no innovation, right?

The best the European Union can do is just like regulate things into the ground. We've seen this with artificial intelligence. Yeah, you're in the UK right now, right? I'm in the UK right now, but I was just at the embassy yesterday applying for a new visa and I'm moving to the U. S. Yeah, it'd be scary to be there now if you're as based as you.

Yeah, I think that You know, if you look at the total number of unicorn companies that have been created, there are more, I believe, unicorns created in Israel than there are in all of the European Union. And, and so yeah, so there's like no innovation in Europe. It's just like anti technology, anti innovation [00:02:00] attitude.

It's just becoming a museum very, very quickly. And then where else does innovation happen? Well, historically it happened in Asia and China. China and the number of startup formations effectively gone to zero now since the imprisonment of Jack Ma. And so what does leave it? Well you know, the Middle East, particularly Dubai is a great hub of innovation.

All the smart people in Europe who don't want, who do not want to become Tax slaves to the NHS are or can't get into the U. S. Because of visa restrictions. So they go to the Middle East. And Dubai in particular is a thriving innovation economy because it's really recruiting talent. Of course, there are a lot of challenges too.

And so I really believe that innovation can only happen in two places in the world today. And that's in the United States. And that's in the Middle East.

Malcolm Collins: And

Aron D Souza: yeah. By far, the U. S. is the most innovative place, and with the new administration many of whom are old friends of mine, it's so wonderful to see truly innovative.

Oh,

Malcolm Collins: yeah, it's been crazy for us. We've seen, like, our friends getting randomly appointed [00:03:00] to positions, and I'm like, this is wild.

Aron D Souza: Like, I don't, I don't, I don't think it's random. Well, no, I think the people have been bold enough to be contrarians to fight back against a broken system are now being pointed out on the basis of merit, you know, they're not being appointed on the basis of how.

The color of their skin or they fit some diversity criteria. They're being pointed on the basis of merit and it's really exciting

Malcolm Collins: Well, they've also gone hard on the the tech stuff I don't know if you saw like project stargate and the big fight about that and I I guess what I mean to say by that is i've actually been surprised by how much they've been sort of putting new Right people into positions and not just you know, like steve bannon's crew.

Because it's, it's led to a lot of people who I saw is like important in our community, but otherwise relative nobody's getting positions of power. Yeah, and I think that's absolutely correct. To have people who are serious operators, who have built businesses, who aren't careers, politicians is very good.

Aron D Souza: And I admire the Trump administration [00:04:00] for taking a business first approach to government and being, you know, you know, the president is a utilitarian pragmatist, like he wants to see America succeed, right? Economic growth is his core metric. And, you know, what I see here in the United Kingdom is that time and time again, when the British government has been forced to make tough decisions, whether that's around income inequality, building houses, expanding Heathrow airport, they have always chosen against growth, right?

They didn't want to build a second runway or a third runway at Heathrow even though that is a major economic engine, because it would cause too much noise. And they didn't choose growth. And in America? In most situations, the government, whether you're on the right or the left, chooses growth. And Enhanced Games, definitionally, is a it is growth for, for, for the world, for our population and for an individual economy that chooses to host us.

Malcolm Collins: I mean, I think with the enhanced games, [00:05:00] one thing that I find really interesting, I say more than growth, it's good spectacle and spectacle in a way that stabs at the deep state of the world, because the deep state isn't just in government. I mean, what is the deep state, but FIFA, FIFA is more of a deep state than anything in the U S government.

The Olympic Committee is more of a deep state than anything in the U. S. government. Everybody knows the Olympic Committee is corrupt to its core. It bankrupts cities every time it sets up. And it's not even that entertaining anymore. Like, nobody watches it anymore. And so, you are coming in at this time.

I think we first had this idea. How many years ago was that? About a year and a

Aron D Souza: half now. What? About a year and a half.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, a year and a half. Okay, so it was still like falling apart at that point, but I mean, I can actually see a future, a near future where countries start saying we're just not going to host the Olympics anymore, and what a better way to stick it to the Olympics to host enhanced games.

And here I know it was enhanced games and people are like, well. What about people injuring themselves with these sorts of drugs and stuff like that? I'm like, do you think these little gymnast [00:06:00] girls aren't like, destroying themselves for life? Like, there are so many instances in the Olympics as it exists right now, where people are absolutely destroying their bodies, shaving years off their life.

And we don't care about it in that instance, but we care about it in this instance. In this instance, at least you're getting some sort of net benefit from it. By that, what I mean is, this forces us to use the people who have already chosen to sacrifice their lives for fame and athletic glory, to use them as testing grounds for chemicals procedures, to make People better that can then be used in other environments.

So something that we can find allows people to absorb more like oxygen in an Olympic game environment is something that we're going to be able to use in a hospital environment.

Aron D Souza: Yeah, I, I call it technology diffusion. So formula 1 is an excellent example of this. And F1, you have athletes. You know, driving amazing cars, which don't bear any resemblance to, you know road car.[00:07:00]

The technology developed formula one has diffused out to the wider world and has a pretty obvious example. And so you know, technology developed on the track translates out to the road in the same way, the technologies that will make athletes run faster and jump higher. At the enhanced games will make, you know, my dad and mom you know, who are in their late seventies walk up a flight of stairs.

And that's really, I think the ultimate gift that we can give to this world. And on the note of the Olympics, it's, you know, like, I know your, your audience is very much on the right in many ways. The, the, there's an intrinsic skepticism about these internationalist institutions like the WHO, the United Nations.

Mm-hmm . The economic forum, but the most durable of the unelected unaccountable international institutions are the Olympic Committee, FIFA and the other sports federations, literal corruption machines that have gone on bankrupting, as you said, city after [00:08:00] city, decade after decade. With no accountability and suddenly you know, I always say the Olympics are the ultimate avenue of human competition.

That's why we watch them, the fastest people in the world. And competition is very healthy. But the Olympic Committee has never had competition until the Enhanced Games came along. And we're very proud to have really shaken up the entire sporting world with this bold and provocative idea. Where are you guys in terms of fundraising or making

Malcolm Collins: this a reality?

Aron D Souza: Yeah. Yeah. And, and, and we live in this world of bold.

Malcolm Collins: Where are you in terms of fundraising or making this a reality? Like where is the, how real is it? Well, I'm pleased to

Aron D Souza: say that we have raised funding from some of the most prominent investors in the world including Peter Thiel. And, and now

Short segment here, we've decided to cut out because it would be better for you to hear it from the news. So you will likely be hearing about these guys in the near future.

that is so

Simone Collins: exciting. Oh yeah. Okay. So. What are the logistics of actually making this happen? Like, are you, are you [00:09:00] going to try to get host cities or just rent large venues and make it happen?

Aron D Souza: So the Olympics are a taxpayer funded boondoggle.

Right. And it's very simple. You know, the Olympics builds a dozen stadiums, and they throw them away after two weeks because they have all these crazy sports that no one watches. No one's interested in curling or shot put and or badminton. And so we've reduced the number of sports focus on the ones that really matter.

Track is the main weightlifting for their objective world records. We could host this on any division one college campus without building any specialist infrastructure.

Malcolm Collins: It will cost

Aron D Souza: us. Tens of millions of dollars to do to do instead of tens of billions. And that infrastructure light model means that we will be a very profitable operation and in particular pay our athletes.

And this is something that I'm extremely proud of the Olympics for the first time ever. And at least in track and field. paid 50, 000 for a gold medal at Paris. This is the first time they've ever [00:10:00] done it, and it was only because of the economic pressure that we placed upon them. And Lord Sebastian Coe, who doesn't like me at all, is running for Olympic Committee President, and he has finally admitted that it's time to pay the athletes.

So if you remember from 1896 Wait, the Olympics didn't pay them at all? No, so your average Olympian only earns 30, 000 a year.

Malcolm Collins: Wow.

Aron D Souza: Well, the Olympic Committee brings in 4. 5 billion in revenue per games. You know, the average Olympic games cost something like 40 billion to put on and they don't find a way to pay its athletes.

And I really believe that excellence deserves to be rewarded. And the reason why the Olympics don't pay is because from 1896 until 1992, only amateur athletes were allowed to compete at the

Malcolm Collins: Olympics.

Aron D Souza: Being a professional was simple. It was. Ungentlemanly. It was low class.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Yeah.

Aron D Souza: And it was a way for European aristocrats to keep working [00:11:00] class people out of gentlemanly sports.

And that aristocratic ethos still pollutes the Olympic committee to this day. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Well, okay. So here's a question I have for you, because I was just thinking about how difficult this particular point is going to be for you. How. Do you deal with gender because pretty much every woman, like even if you go as, okay, we go as women assigned at birth to win, they're going to have to be on all sorts of steroids and they're not going to look like women anymore.

How do you, how do you handle that?

Aron D Souza: So we are a scientific based competition. All the decisions that we make are based on science. And so we don't classify our athletes based on male or female or man or woman. We classify them based on chromosomes. You're either XX or XY and 99. 9 percent of people are what I'd call a chromosomally normal.

They either fall into the classic binary that I just outlined. 1 in about a thousand people are [00:12:00] chromosomally abnormal, of which there are 43 known chromosomal abnormalities, 40, about 40 of which are attributable either to XX or XY. So only a very, very small percentage of people are truly intersex and, and the evidence is, as far as I can tell, there has never been an elite athlete who has reached like Olympic level competition.

With those three chromosomal abnormalities. Hmm. Because most people with those abnormalities don't live to adulthood.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, okay. So, yeah. But the, the second part of my question still stands the way that you're structuring this means that people with XX chromosomes, if they are going to compete, will likely be on so much testosterone.

They won't look like people with XX chromosomes, which might. Do some people make it seem freakish or unappealing to watch the women's games?

Aron D Souza: Sure. Individuals with free and informed [00:13:00] consent should be able to do to their bodies what they wish. Right. And I think this is the most fundamental of human rights, my body, my choice, your body, your choice.

And for some people, being an Arnold Schwarzenegger esque bodybuilder might be visually unappealing, but for others, it's a high aesthetic aspirational value.

Simone Collins: Lots of people with a fetish. Yeah, you got it. Oh, please. Well, Malcolm, also, that, if that point stands, if there were people who were given high levels of testosterone as natal females, without giving consent as kids, because, you know, people under a certain age probably can't be seen as giving consent, then they probably wouldn't qualify for the games.

Aron D Souza: Oh, yeah, and absolutely. And, you know, I'll always emphasize, like, I'm a gay man myself, and, you know, I've watched the debate about trans people evolve over the last 20 years. It was completely uncontroversial when it was talking about adults transitioning. When it became about children transitioning, this became a whole [00:14:00] political The mail store.

Exactly. And what I would emphasize that individuals with free and informed consent can do to their bodies what they wish. Children aren't able to give consent. Okay, so

Malcolm Collins: you would bar anyone who transitioned as a child from competing?

Aron D Souza: No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, anyone who transitioned as a child is still their chromosomes are the same.

Malcolm Collins: No, no, no, no. So, okay, I'll, I'll word this differently. If China, for example, because you know, China and Russia, they build like factories for people winning, right? Where they take kids at like nine years old or something like that. Right. And then they train them. Well, somebody who transitions female to male.

While they are still a child is going to be able to beat somebody who transitioned female to male as an adult because they're going to have a different bone structure.

Aron D Souza: No, no, no. So let me rephrase to make it very clear. The categories of competition at the enhanced games are not male and female. It's x, x, and x, y.

And so even if you transition gender as a child, it doesn't change a chromosomal structure. [00:15:00]

Malcolm Collins: Right, but that's not the point I'm making at all. The point I'm making is an XX person who transitioned before puberty is going to beat every time an XX person who transitioned after puberty, meaning that countries like China and Russia are going to feel pressure to transition children who may not be transgender at all if they show themselves having some advantage at a particular sport.

Aron D Souza: No, I don't, I don't think that's right because Transitioning of gender has no application. If you're born XX, you will always compete in the XX category. If you're born XY, you will always compete in the XY category. You may be asking the question No, no, I understand that. The point I'm making is that if you are a kid, and you are on the other gender's hormones, you will develop to be more like that other gender than anyone who transitioned as an adult ever would.

Yeah, yeah. So, let's rephrase it. So, would we allow countries to compete That have programs that are enhancing Children. Yes. Yes. Right. That's the question. So [00:16:00] as and but this is actually a really complex question because think about things like CRISPR gene editing technology. Yeah. Yeah. Right. And and what is becoming very popular among Yeah.

Wealthier american households is giving their sons human growth hormones. They're tall Hey, what age do they do that? By the way as they're teenagers

Malcolm Collins: Teenagers is when you do the growth hormones. I thought you needed to do it earlier.

Aron D Souza: What year? Yeah, even younger sometimes, right? So the growth hormones to to allow i'm not saying

Malcolm Collins: that we've been planning on doing that I'm, just saying I never could find the right year range.

Can you maybe hypothetically? What would that ring be?

Aron D Souza: Well as a as a kid, you know, i'm only Five foot 10. Like as a kid, I knew I wasn't going to be like super tall. And I actually went to my parents when I was like 14 years old. And I was like, mom, I want to take HGH. Like, and you know, here's what I researched on the internet.

Simone Collins: Oh my gosh. You rock. [00:17:00]

Aron D Souza: And my parents were like, what are you talking about?

Simone Collins: Yes. Did they, did they let you? Malcolm, by the way,

Aron D Souza: they

Simone Collins: didn't let

Aron D Souza: you, they didn't let me, they didn't let me now, now they're like, well, you know, we should listen there or whatever, but yeah, so. Should, should we allow. So think about the philosophical question.

You guys have a beautiful child right there. If you, if they had, if you've got CRISPR gene editing technology to enhance them before they're born, so they could never consent to it. Yeah, also, it's completely irreversible. Yeah, there's a one way street. Yeah, right. And so in December, we gathered a group of scientists at Oxford University and nearly 50 of the best scientists in the world, and we adopted the first declaration on human enhancement.

Ooh. Where there's the first declaration, and it deals with things like bodily sovereignty, [00:18:00] the right to medical care, the right to respect the law of nations. It's the third article of the declaration. So, if a country allows CRISPR gene editing therapy. Then it will be allowed in the enhanced games, but that's within the regulatory framework of an individual country.

Simone Collins: The host

Aron D Souza: country or the country that people are coming from? Ah, that's a, that's a great question. So, the country that people are representing and coming from is obviously highly important. And also if you're taking any short term therapies, it would be in the country of competition.

Simone Collins: Right?

Aron D Souza: So respecting individual national sovereignty is very, very, very important.

That being said, my hope is that the enhanced games will be a platform for showing off the best of human excellence and some countries which are very innovative, like the United States or maybe like the United Emirates will showcase the best of human performance. And we will see athletes from less innovative or anti technology countries

Malcolm Collins: like [00:19:00] the United Kingdom

Aron D Souza: fit in sports, and I think this pushed ourselves to think greater about our

Malcolm Collins: place in the world.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Now I want you to talk more about the argument that people are going to have of what if this pushes governments or individuals to, like, and especially in the context of what I was saying before, like, it seems like governments are already ruining children's lives for the Olympics.

Like, can you, can you talk about, because I'm sure you've made this argument before, like, what What does the government currently do to kids so that they compete in the Olympics? What are the current effects of the Olympics? And how might that differentiate from this system?

Aron D Souza: Well, number one, we're going to pay all athletes who compete at the enhanced games.

So it's a much more financially sustainable system, and much more equitable in that respect. So you have to think of it more like baseball or football, or like the Premier League soccer here in Britain, is a really good example of where there is a wider ranging support network. It's much more financially sustainable because ultimately, you know, you, you [00:20:00] have to be either genetically very blessed and or ideally and financially uh, secure to be able to compete at the Olympic Games.

Why is Home Depot and McDonald's large sponsors of the Olympics? It's because of the, you know, they're, they're large employers. And one thing that I would point to is like. There's always this criticism of health at the Enhance Games. They say, oh, you know, the Enhance Games is pushing to be unhealthy.

The two longest serving Olympic sponsors of Team USA are Coca Cola and McDonald's. Two organizations that have done more damage to public health than any other entities in the entire world. That is a great point on the back of

Malcolm Collins: Olympic sponsorship. Yeah, well, I actually think that the key to this working, because you're gonna need to get these big sponsors in some way, is to make the big sponsors.

And I feel like I haven't felt like this was possible until like these last few months to feel like there is reputational damage to sponsoring the traditional Olympics. I think going [00:21:00] the

Aron D Souza: Olympics is the key and, and I think. Given your audience is more on the right, I would emphasize the fact that I don't think it's really entered the psychological consciousness of the Republican Party yet.

The next Olympic Games are in the summer of 2028 in Los Angeles. Oof. You're two very smart people. The city just burned down. The city just burned down. The city just burned down. But what else is going to be happening in the summer of 2028?

Simone Collins: Oh, like ramping up for A huge election cycle.

Aron D Souza: Exactly. That's going to be interesting in Democrat controlled Los Angeles with Gavin Newsom at the head and Lori Lightfoot and others.

This could look like Gavin Newsom's coronation. Yeah. Right. Right. When JD Vance or the next Republican nominee will be gearing up to race for the presidency and two weeks of global media coverage focused on Gavin [00:22:00] Newsom rebuilding, you know, LA after the fires and everything. It could look like it's coronation and politically, I think it's not a very good calculation for the Republican Party to support the LA 28 Olympics.

Malcolm Collins: No, I mean, I think that it's going to be very easy to attack because the Olympics have just gotten worse and worse every year in terms of the damage they've done to the town. It's

Simone Collins: almost like kicking Los Angeles while it's down, which is Yeah, with

Malcolm Collins: Los Angeles already being in the state it's in this is going to look really, really bad.

Have they already built most of the infrastructure or are they building it now?

Aron D Souza: Well, they're building infrastructure. You know, there's still billions of dollars in costs. And, you know, Casey Watson, who I would know is a major Democratic Party fundraiser, was just you know, doing the lobbying rounds trying to razzle up support for the LA 28 Olympics, because they have a massive budget black hole, and they're hoping that the U.

S. federal government will patch that. You know, the International Olympic Committee has 4. 5 billion in assets on its balance sheet, and It should be paying for the great party, [00:23:00] not the taxpayers of Los Angeles, and certainly not the federal taxpayers.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah well, yeah, and I don't think that we're, I mean, do the federal government often pay for part of the Olympics?

Aron D Souza: Well, you know, what often ends up happening is the biggest bill of the Olympics starts with infrastructure. Which is paid for usually by the host city. But then the number 2 thing is security, right? The Olympics are the biggest security operation that will exist in peacetime, and it is pretty expected that the federal government will foot the security bill.

And I don't think that's a very appropriate thing to do in this era of cost cutting. And particularly when the international committee has such deep coffers of their own.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, but Democrats would love that because if you get a terrorist attack and Trump withdrew security, then that's going to make Trump's team look bad.

Aron D Souza: Well, no, but you know, it's, it's, it's at the International Olympic Committee, just 4. 5 billion in cash and cash assets should pay for it themselves. Right? Reimburse the federal government.

Malcolm Collins: Now I can see Trump [00:24:00] holding strong on that point, because it just seems so ridiculous.

Simone Collins: Well, and I can also see him having the Olympic Committee pay, because he hates a bad deal.

He hates it when the U. S. whips the bill when someone else clearly can. So, that makes sense.

Aron D Souza: The Olympic Committee president, Thomas Bach, I was only met with President Trump once.

Malcolm Collins: Oh.

Aron D Souza: And he was extremely rude about the President for many years and has made, made many, many public statements disparaging the president.

And I think the president, as we all know, all personal to him. And it was a very bad forum for the I Olympic Committee President to be disparaging the president of the United States. Now expecting the U. S. Federal government put the bill for this massive festivity, which will inevitably benefit the Democratic Party.

Simone Collins: Yeah, absolutely. Well, okay. So in contrast to the next 2028 Olympics, what do you think could be the first year feasibly, not guaranteed? The enhanced games could go off

Aron D Souza: 2025. So [00:25:00] 2025, we are hosting our first exhibition events in swimming and small events to demonstrate the the model of what we aim to deliver the potential of athletes you know.

At all ages. Amazing. Their twenties and their thirties, maybe even in their forties achieving world class and even world record times. So that's really very, very exciting.

Simone Collins: That is amazing. That's really exciting. I wanna, I wanna get into the science, 'cause you're probably seeing as you're ramping up for this, some, some inklings of what people are doing to enhance themselves for these exhibition games.

What are people doing? Are you seeing anything innovative? Are you seeing a trend, like everyone's going for this one thing? What, how are people enhancing themselves?

Aron D Souza: Well, it's actually very simple. It's actually quite the opposite. It's not very innovative stuff. It's compounds that have been around for for North of 100 years for scientists have won the Nobel Prize for synthetic growth hormones like testosterone, [00:26:00] EPO and androgen anabolic steroids, right?

Three compounds that we know that work. We understand the drug on drug interactions. We understand what good quality manufacturing looks like. And there's ample scientific evidence. 6 percent of men in the United States in the United Kingdom have used legal anabolic steroids at some point in their life.

In the UK, recently anabolic steroids were descheduled, so they're legal for personal use now. And in the United States, I imagine we have a very enhanced health secretary now subject to this confirmation who is, who is very open minded about The role of enhancements in society, and he's, he's talked very openly about his use of testosterone replacement therapy, which would ban him from Olympic competition.

So we have a strong ally of our cause in, in in Washington with secretary Kennedy at HHS and I believe this is the time where we're going to be really rethinking so much of the place of human enhancement drugs in our society. And [00:27:00] why this is so important, I think a lot of people don't realize this.

The same drugs that make athletes run faster and jump higher are the same drugs that will allow us, the wider population, to live longer, healthier. And more productive lives. And the reason why Europe is failing is the same reason why Japan has more or less failed is because of an aging population. You have much more retirees, pensioners taxing the health care system than workers who are paying taxes and government doesn't know how to solve this problem.

This demographic collapse can only be addressed right now through immigration, which we all know has lots of social and cultural issues, but it's there's actually a technological solution, which is human enhancement, and that's where we see the biggest opportunity. We don't see this as just building a sporting event.

We're going to normalize enhancements, develop, and market [00:28:00] pharmaceutical compounds. And there are strong public policy implications for for this.

Malcolm Collins: So my, my discord keeps trying to get me to take steroids. They're like, look, your show would do so much better if you looked more like, you know, Chris Williamson or Joe Rogan.

Like, why don't you just do steroids? Do you think I should? Like, are they safe?

Aron D Souza: So should you take them? I would say talk to your doctor, to a full blood panel. Make sure that you're healthy. Make sure you don't have any carc Carcinogenic risk. Are they safe? Well, I can't screen share with you right now, but I would point to a study done by Professor David Knott of Imperial College London and published in The Lancet is one of the most recent study.

Highly regarded scientific journals in the world, and he did an all calls risk analysis of recreational and performance drugs, both to the individual and to society at large. The most dangerous drug on the chart was cocaine. Number two was [00:29:00] alcohol. And at the very bottom end of the chart, safer than tobacco, cannabis, alcohol, and many other things that we commonly accept in our society, was self administered anabolic steroids, not clinically administered anabolic steroids.

Oh, why is

Malcolm Collins: clinically administered more dangerous?

Aron D Souza: No, clinically administered is safer. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would never recommend anyone self administer. That's the craziest thing. Like, I meet bodybuilders all the time and say, yeah, I'm just ordering my drugs online and injecting myself. I'm like, what are you doing?

You know, you can like go to a doctor and be fully advised end to end about the process. So

Simone Collins: you don't mean, okay, so, so clinically it means it was prescribed, but the people may still be injecting themselves at home. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

Aron D Souza: physically injecting themselves, but clinically supervised.

Simone Collins: Okay, yeah,

Aron D Souza: that makes sense.

Yeah, so the, the, the major. Risk of of of any performance enhancement regime presently is self [00:30:00] administration and it's people ordering their drugs online and injecting themselves. And I wouldn't recommend that to anyone. But clinical supervision is a is a great safeguard and the scientific evidence is there in the most prestigious.

Medical journal in Europe.

Simone Collins: Well, that is so interesting. So, Simone,

Malcolm Collins: are you convinced? Should I

Simone Collins: do it?

Aron D Souza: No.

Simone Collins: I don't want roid rage. I don't. I don't. It's like the biggest thing to worry about. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. You

Aron D Souza: know, you have to cut through the media hysteria.

Malcolm Collins: Mm hmm.

Aron D Souza: And look at the scientific evidence.

So I would point to creatine, which was a banned drug

Malcolm Collins: in many

Aron D Souza: sports leagues in the 1990s when it first came out. If you read the media coverage about creating, it's, it's a super steroid. It causes roid rage. It causes liver cancer.

Malcolm Collins: And now

Aron D Souza: you can buy creatine at like, I don't know, Joe and the juice.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah.

Aron D Souza: It's wild now. Okay. [00:31:00] 25 percent of the goods on the shelf at your local GNC. Look at you banned from Olympic competition. So we're talking about a legal. Oh, wow. I think

Malcolm Collins: this also shows the crossover between learning more about these chemicals and it being useful for health stuff. Yeah, exactly.

Aron D Souza: And, you know, individuals to be able to make a choice for themselves about which compounds they use when and under what circumstances.

And this comes to the legal definition of medicine. Two very smart people here. We interact, we all interact with the medical system every day. You know what the legal definition of medicine in the United States is. I don't actually, right? So it's a really fascinating one medicine. In the before the 20th century anyone call themselves a doctor and in the early 20th century Andrew Carnegie the philanthropist commissioned a sociologist from Johns Hopkins University named Albert Flexner.

To go and study [00:32:00] medical education in America and the Flexner report proposed the creation of medical schools and state medical boards to regulate the profession, but as part of that process, they had to decide what medicine is and so medicine was decided more than 100 years ago to be for the treatment and the amelioration of illness.

That

Simone Collins: seems reasonable, but it is only one very narrow part, and it also seems to define the biggest problem with modern medical practice, which is everything is reactive and preventative medicine and making optimal humans is not even part of the picture. So that's interesting.

Aron D Souza: So, so legally, a doctor cannot prescribe you, a treatment or a compound unless it is prescribed against a disease state.

Simone Collins: Oh, my gosh.

Aron D Souza: And so this, this is something that I know Secretary Kennedy is inclined to address because [00:33:00] aging is not classified as a disease. Aging is seen as a natural human process and disease. Is something that is very much socially constructed osteoporosis, the stiffening of your joints as you get older was viewed as natural human process until 1996.

Simone Collins: Ah,

Aron D Souza: right. And so one of the greatest contributions that Secretary Kennedy and the Trump administration can make. is the classification of aging as a disease, which then we can treat, cure, and eventually solve and, you know, this is the greatest technological advancement that we could have as human beings.

Malcolm Collins: So if you guys are close to the administration, this is something you should or you can probably campaign for it with your connections, and I'm sure that Some of them probably have pathways to that. We have like a huge Many private discussions going on at

Aron D Souza: the moment.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Oh, that's wonderful news.

That's cool. God, this is just so great. This administration has been so much fun so far. Anyway I have been so excited to have you on. How can people contribute to what [00:34:00] you're doing, or if they're interested in this, follow you?

Aron D Souza: We would love people to share our content on social media, follow us at Enhanced Games on, on, on X and on Instagram.

And, you know, if anyone is interested in getting involved in any way, shape or form, please just email me. My email address is aron, A R O N, at enhance. com. I answer every single email that comes into my inbox. I give it a thought on every podcast I go on. And I love hearing from our fans. And, you know, the world works in amazing and wonderful ways.

So. You know we're really very, very excited to see the trajectory where we're going, you know, we believe that the future is very bright and the golden age of America is here. And you know, as the president said in this inaugural address and you know, we believe that there's a very strong alignment now with what we're doing and.

The world in which is being built.

Malcolm Collins: Wonderful. Well we're excited to have chatted with you and I hope you have a spectacular day. Great. Thanks for coming on. Thank you so much.

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Soap up! Boo! Boo! Alright, I'm gonna get you some apple, alright? Now there's poop on your glasses. You and your jokes, mister. You think that's funny, Toasty? Yeah. Oh, yummy! Yummy!

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