I consider myself a two-thirds utilitarian, but not completely. Can I pull you down to two-thirds and bring in justice for these extreme cases where you can just point and say that was wrong? I think we all have that intuition. It's not that I don't have any retributive intuitions. I just want to be able to say it's wrong without having to count up the utils. Sure. Sorry to say that what they did is wrong and that they should be punished for it. You're more than two-thirds. If I think of Singapore, it's a big success. People are quite well off. They have more freedom than a lot of outsiders

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