Sally Kohn: I really want to focus also on the themes of autonomy and agency versus you actually said most people work in a dictatorship. But it seems like we're kind of in a war for our souls, knowledge workers where we spend all this time learning and becoming good at what we do. And then we go into the system that is literally saying, no, you're basically children. She says there are many schools in the Netherlands, in Europe, et cetera, where the students create the curriculum; their academic outcomes are extraordinarily good. The main difference in the social contract of a traditional business versus the kind that I like to work in and create and counsel is when you

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