There are thousands of examples of people who have decided to flout ethics as a concept, and it has paid off. Crime does actually pay for so many people. And there's billions and billions, s and billions of dollars being made off the back of these aren't real people. You just have to have the intestinal fortitude to think like, what? I just don't want to be that person. It's the only way through this is like, i just don't wants to be like ot want people to talk about me the way they're talking about the sacklers.