The current system of cafe meets poultry and hogs is pretty horrific. But if you look at why people, why those animals exist from a historic perspective, they were to handle stuff like what we're talking about. And the animals are the feed buffer. If suddenly you have half the harvest, but you've been feeding animals, now you can call animals. The Calapuya would trade their flower for their, from their canvas. They trade the canvas flower for salmon. Those were salmon people. So just going 100 miles away, you have a meat-based diet. And here it was a plant-based diet in Oregon.

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