There are times, there are times where the direct approach is more effective. It's almost always going to be in conjunction with a series of indirect approaches and the failure of the indirect approach to work. Or the indirect approach softening defenses to a point when the direct approach works very well. So we have a target we're going to attack. We can't confirm if the bad guy we're looking for is there or not. And we've been doing reconnaissance and we've been gathering intel ... But it's so rare that you should need to do this," he says.